A Carried Interest Auction?
Stating the obvious, General Partners are capitalists. They spend most of their time working with portfolio companies on development, production, pricing and distribution — in order to ultimately harvest profitable investments. As a reward for their efforts, investors reward GPs with a meaningful share of investment profits, in the form of carried interest. The carried interest from successful funds can be incredible wealth generating vehicles, but so can the management fees that are created when you apply the standard 2% against ever-increasing fund sizes. Thinking like rationale capitalists, successful GPs have sometimes raised substantially larger funds that generate larger sums of management fee revenue.
A great historical example of this occurred in the venture capital market during the late 1990s, when leading early-stage firms began raising funds with $1 billion targets. The tension and internal struggle that these top-tier managers endured when deciding on future fundraising targets must be intense. When managers raise oversubscribed funds, they are essentially turning away unfulfilled consumer demand. However, if they meet the consumer demand, they may be sacrificing profits from carried interest if they drift away from the firm’s core investment strategy. But like I said, General Partners are capitalists.
Since the start of the year, in discrete conversations, three top-tier private equity managers have said that they are considering major brand extensions as a way to capture unfulfilled investor demand without sacrificing investment strategy (i.e. carried interest). Each of these firms was considering the launch of sub-debt funds, industry-focused vehicles, country-specific funds, growth capital strategies and/or all of the above — in order to increase assets under management. At the end of the day, it’s all about hanging another shingle, building the platform, growing the empire or, to put it bluntly, making more money.
But why go through the trouble? Why not use a simple economic mechanism to solve the problem? If a top-tier manager is oversubscribed, by definition, it has supplied less inventory than the market demands. In a properly functioning market, supply and demand dynamics find equilibrium. In the private equity market, however, the prices a manager charges its investors are historically fixed at approximately 2% management fees and 20-25% carried interest. In a market with supplier-driven inventory limits, structural price ceilings and excess consumer demand, the consumers, in this case Limited Partners, are benefiting from significant consumer surplus. It would be very easy for the most elite private equity managers to force the market for their product towards equilibrium with a capitalistic hallmark: The Auction.
Imagine a world where instead of sending out a fax or email to LPs asking for an indication of interest for the next fund, top-tier managers also ask for the maximum carried interest they would be willing to pay. The auction dynamics between universities and public plans for access to firms like Sequoia or Kleiner could be very interesting. Bidding rationale would of course be driven by the manager’s perceived quality and track record, but also by the limited partner’s opportunity set and investment needs. Would a public pension fund think twice about giving Sequoia a 50% carried interest if its alternative opportunity set was a list of “me-too” managers with 2nd and 3rd quartile track records? In order to find out, we conducted an informal survey to simulate an auction with more than thirty-five limited partners. The auction involved an anonymous top-tier manager who, net of their 25% carry, had consistently delivered multiples of 0.9x – 11.3x to investors. The manager was limiting its next fund size to $250mm, but would allocate commitments based on carried interest bids.
Bids ranged from 22.0% to 72.5%, but the market clearing carried interest level was 42.50%. Basically, these investors were willing to increase the managers carry by 70% in order to ensure participation in the new investment opportunity.
The market ramifications of carried interest auctions likely makes the idea almost impossible to implement, but it is interesting to contemplate the impacts that such a structure could have on the market. For example, what if emerging managers contractually guaranteed investors in their first fund that portions of successor funds will always be available to original investors at the original, non-market priced, carried interest level? If the emerging manager evolves into tomorrow’s top tier manager and commands a 40%+ carry, original investors still have a portion of the fund for themselves at the original 20% carried interest level. Thus, emerging manager investors actually have a true economic reward for risking capital with less experienced teams.
Dan and the PEHUB collective can probably envision dozens of implications and I am curious to hear thoughts from the market.
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Jon said on February 25, 2008
When a top-tier fund has a less than top-tier return on a particular fund (which happens often), would their LPs ask to renegotiate for the next fund, or would their be a similar price lock-up?
If renegotiation happened at each fund, would this create incentive to take on less risk?
Michael said on February 25, 2008
I think that posting on carried interest is interesting, albeit a bit theoretical. However, doesn’t it already work like this in some degree? Are you trying to tell me that all first funds are 2/20 for all LPs, or perhaps that is more of a surviving, second fund and beyond phenomenon? Also, what about Bain and others that are clearly north of 20?
Here is why I wouldn’t expect it would work in large numbers like the author is suggesting:
1) I think many GPs view their LPs truly as partners. If someone backed you in the early days its unlikely that you’ll throw out that relationship over a few basis points of carried interest. Those things come back to haunt you if you end up having a fund that is on the lower end of the performance spectrum.
2) Lets be honest, the only thing better than competition-based capitalism is monopolistic capitalism. The article glosses over this point but it is an important one. First, to the authors point, the firms are about maximizing carried interest: not in percentage terms, but in dollar terms. If you could earn 2/20 on a +$1B fund you’d rather do that than earn 2/45 on a +$250MM fund (holding all else equal). Second, if the terms 2/20 are “not market†meaning they are not competitive, than they must be anti-competitive, which will always be a superior spot to be producing on the supply curve, economically speaking.
Jake said on February 25, 2008
I’d be interested to know what the Carried Interest hurdle rates were in your trial auction; was there a fixed hurdle or, when submitting a bid could LPs also set out different hurdle rates / catch-ups etc. Without this information the different carried interest ‘bids’ don’t mean much…
V said on February 25, 2008
I have always wondered why the carried interest does not involve more of a stepped function. Some funds are introducing them, if the fund returns 25% net then the split goes to 70/30. I would be much more interested in sharing the back end on that sort of basis (i.e. as the GP provides more return to the LP, the GP gains a greater share of that return). After all, don’t all these GPs pride themselves on aligning management of their companies with performance?
Ahmad said on February 25, 2008
It sounds like it’d be a nightmare for LPs’ decision making process. Things would be much more complicated when evaluating and committing to funds if carried interest suddenly took on a variable nature. Deciding what maximum level of carry they are willing to pay is a burden in and of itself. Finding out at the last minute that it’s not enough is a catastrophe… they could have saved themselves the trouble of looking at the fund if they had known that they’d need to pay a 40% carry.
The investment decision is fairly straightforward when all the terms are disclosed up front. If the fund wants more carry, let them figure out what they want, and put it in the PPM! That’d also be more equitable, since I’m guessing certain A-list LP’s would get preferential treatment with a variable carry, while the smaller ones would end up paying through the nose.
Aseem Giri, Author of "Imposters at the Gate" said on February 25, 2008
There have been a few funds who have marketed and closed 3/30 funds. These were some of the best in the industry, returns-wise.
Would this then force funds with worse returns to raise a fund at 1.5/15?
I think that the market for these terms should be more dynamic. The challenge is that an auction format would be too cumbersome and there isn’t enough transparency of the terms for various funds to make it efficient.
Andy said on February 25, 2008
This approach would get a lot more interesting if coupled with negotiated fees rather than a percentage fee. Then the GP would be exposing its cost of doing business and the LP could evaluate if that is an appropriate budget to place the funds. The LP would also be much more likely to balance that against a potentially higher carried interest request in making a decision.
That said, for far too many LP’s, any deviation from the standard is too difficult to assess, and is more often than not interpreted as a sign of weakness by the GP. After all, if they can’t command a 2% fee (even when the fee stream might overwhelm gains for an average performer), there must be something wrong even if they are getting a better carried interest. This really doesn’t make sense, as a negotiated fee and higher carry better aligns GP and LP interests, but it is the sad reality.
Tony said on February 26, 2008
As has already been pointed out, this makes a lot of simplifying assumptions that render it almost pointless. Fund size, management fees, and hurdle rate are all equally important. Our institution has tried, with varying degrees of success, to negotiate alternative compensation arrangements that provide better alignment of interest and “pay for alpha;” Their undoing is almost always other LPs who won’t make an effort to understand something different or GPs who are unwilling to forego generous guaranteed fee streams or be measured by true value-added.
If you look closely at the performance of most PE funds you’ll quickly realize that most GPs have more to lose than gain from non-standard arrangements.
Joe said on February 26, 2008
Very interesting.. what would the auction result if the fund or vehicle in question were to pay quarterly dividends – say on a brownfield infrastructure portfolio, rather than expecting LPs ti wait 5-7 years for the results of a crapshoot? And what if the GP were positioned and able to increase ROI on a portfolio of boring infra assets from, say 10-12% p.a. to 18-20% p.a.? What would the auction think appropriate? a step function as suggested by “V”? What if the underlying assets were never to be exited? Yes, I know this is stretching the bounds of classical PE (at least as evolved in the last 25 years) but “alternative” is a fast-evolving field… What are the historical precedents? Partnerships for investment are as old as Byzantium…
Karl said on February 26, 2008
Think of another model. Instead of the 2/20 model, how about the 0/50 model used by a certain, large, successful and controversial hedge fund?
Umberto said on February 26, 2008
Very interesting. But isn’t this what happens in practice already, at least in some instances? If I am not mistaken, some of the top performing hedge funds charge 5/35 (instead of the industry standard 2/20). It probably wasn’t done through a formal auction, but I think LPs have gone exactly through the the same thought process.
Gurvinder said on February 29, 2008
If investors / LPs are also seen as rational capitalists, they should be willing to pay more for better performance, and vice versa. So while the operational challenge of running an auction remains, in principal the auction model makes sense.
Trip said on November 10, 2008
What is the total amount of carried interest out there? What is the market size?