Former VC Bill Stensrud Opens Up About the Industry; “I Couldn’t Figure Out What to Do With the Money”
Earlier this week, former VC Bill Stensrud published a piece at his blog about why venture capital as we know it is doomed.
His argument has nothing to do with “the economy of other transitory exogenous factors” to which other doomsayers often point. Stensrud says the problem is much more fundamental. Specifically, he argues that that last truly life-changing innovation was the invention of the transistor in the 1950s (it was “the meteor hitting the earth”), and that pretty much everything else that has followed since — the integrated circuit, the PC, wireless telephony and the Internet – have been opportunities born of that invention.
Big deal, right? Except Stensrud believes major innovation happens not in gradual, continuous streams but in rapid periods followed by long, stagnant periods – and that we saw the end of a 50-year-period of “rapid” innovation in 2000.
Because it’s an extreme view, and because Stensrud is no longer in the industry (the La Jolla, Calif., firm where he spent 10 years, Enterprise Partners, raised its last fund in 2001), I asked Stensrud to elucidate this afternoon. The conversation was more interesting than I’d expected.
You say in your essay that institutional VC was incredibly helpful and profitable during the period of rapid innovation we experienced from the ‘50s through 2000, but suggest that it’s now redundant. But what about the next wave? And are you linking every innovation since the transistor to the transistor?
I’m not arguing that innovation won’t happen again, but innovation deriving from transistor’s appearance has played itself out. Everything that’s technical in our lives has been a sub-innovation.
But in your blog post, you lump in clean tech, too. Isn’t that comparing apples and oranges?
Between 2007 and 2008, $14 billion was invested in clean tech and my question is: what is the new tool? What’s the technology innovation? Where’s the equivalent of the transistor? Is there anything that makes it possible for people to create fundamentally new breakthroughs in clean tech? My contention is that there isn’t.
Harnessing solar power doesn’t count?
The issue isn’t whether these things will or should be built. The question I’m asking is what makes a startup opportunity versus an opportunity for a big company. I don’t see any fundamental breakthrough that makes a startup better equipped than Exxon or Toyota to make biofuels or clean technologies.
The same is true of electric cars, which, as a venture investment, is just brain dead. If you look at the economics of starting a car company, you’re talking about billions of dollars. That’s not a startup opportunity. More to the point, an electric car is a feature of a car. There’s no new tool that makes a startup uniquely capable of making an electronic car. Why can’t Toyota do it? Not only can they, but if there’s a market, they will.
But based on your reasoning, Google wouldn’t exist today. Because a bigger company can do something doesn’t mean it will, or that it will do it as well as an upstart.
The reason they were able to create Google was that they had a vision of what the Internet would become and how to use that new tool in a radically different way. There was plenty of Internet search before them, but Google invented the marriage of Internet search and advertising.
You’ve said the Internet was a sub-innovation of the transistor and that the trickle-down effect ended around 2000.
Roughly. A new tool, in this case the Internet, creates so many opportunities for new businesses that smart people with vision can create major new businesses for several years after that tool comes out. Eventually the tool has been looked at by so many people from so many different perspectives that the chances of coming up with something really different decline to effectively zero. There is still some life left in the Internet, but none, that I can see, in the electric motor.
So startups shouldn’t bother to compete with incumbents?
If startups are forcing Exxon and Royal Dutch Shell into clean tech, for example, how does that benefit the VC? Does a guy who’s investing in a startup want to motivate the big guys to take its market away or does he want a commercially viable product?
What about VCs funding drug therapies? Are you of a mind that institutionalized venture capital for healthcare doesn’t make sense anymore, either?
Do you know how much money has been made in the healthcare VC industry? None. It’s produced a lot of healthcare wins. But they’ve dug a lot of deep holes in the ground as well. If you look at the venture capital — I’m talking total dollars invested in technology from 1950 to 2000 — that investment over the entire industry produced about an 18 percent ROI, which is enormous. If you look at the same investments over that period in life sciences it produced zero ROI. That’s not to say that some funds weren’t successful, because they were, or that some investments weren’t huge wins, because they were. But overall, it’s not been a successful industry.
I’m sure plenty of people will agree with your theory. Others will say this is all sour grapes because Enterprise Ventures didn’t raise a seventh fund. What’s your response?
Look, I spent most of my career as an entrepreneur. I co-founded StrataCom (acquired for $4 billion by Cisco in 1996), I was president of Primary Access (sold for $170 million in 3Com stock in 1995), and I was part of the team that did the leveraged buyout of Paradyne from Lucent.
I went into VC in 1997 after I thought my entrepreneurial career had run its course. But I left it because it was other people’s money, and if I was going to invest it, I needed to believe I knew where to do that, and I didn’t.
You left in 2006. Was the firm already in the process of trying to raise a new fund at that point?
They were investigating a new fund. I didn’t want to be party to it, though. I’ve made more than enough money in my career. I didn’t need the venture business to pay my bills and I wasn’t going to spend the last chapter of my career doing something I didn’t believe in. I have a little bit of pride yet.
Today, you’re CEO a site called InstantEncore. Tell us about it.
It’s a very vertically focused Facebook that allows classical musicians and artists and presenters to use community tools to build their audiences and donations.
I take it you aren’t doing it for the money.
No, I’m a passionate lover of classical music. Making money would be nice but it’s not why I’m doing it. It’s really a family affair. My son is involved, and my nephew. There are just five employees. We’re keeping down our burn. [Laughs.]
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Jay said on January 12, 2009
This is nothing but a superficial blathering by a person who got lucky during the bubble. The reason why there are no opportunities is that he is totally clueless about technology and how to build a company. These are the class of so-called vcs who came out of the bubble and suddenly became so-called experts at anything and everything. If you investigate their backgrounds you will find that they just rode a wave and have not invented any technology, designed any product or sold anything or fought competition or built a company. They were there when things happened and rode the tide. Juniper was built by other people. He rode it. Stratacom was built by others and he rode it. The thing he tried – being a vc – he was a abject failure. This is what I would term rich mediocrity. If you are a mediocre person and got rich in the bubble – you are still a mediocre. That does not change. There are many others who got lucky and simply thanked their stars and moved on. A friend put it in perspective by saying there was a rise of ego without the commensurate abilities. This ego without ability became prominent.
tedc said on January 12, 2009
Jay baby, take a pill. Now that you’ve flamed the guy what about his thesis? Tool creation and VC interaction with the markets is a pretty big discussion that’s going on at many unhappy LP’s currently.
Jon Holman said on January 12, 2009
I’ve known Bill Stensrud for 20 years. He’s an exceptionally smart guy and an awesome entrepreneur, and he was a good venture investor also.
He’s right that everything is derivative. Isaac Newton said he stood on the shoulders of giants. We wouldn’t have had penicillin if someone hadn’t invented the microscope. And the transistor was derivative too – remember electricity? So I agree with Bill’s minor point, but not with his major one.
The problem with the venture model isn’t that we’re at the end of science and innovation. It’s that we deluded ourselves in 1998 and 1999 that unlimited money could produce unlimited returns. Venture capital is an asset class, but it should be a small one. I don’t know what the right number is, but maybe 20 firms with an aggregate of $1 billion of capital to invest each year? Whatever the numbers are, they are way smaller than the current ones.
Jay said on January 12, 2009
Yes – I have taken my pill and fortunately, for this world, there are more ordinary people such as engineers and designers and mechanics than VCs. Let us not confuse PE with VC. The VC business died along with people like Arthur Rock and others of that era passing away or growing old. People confuse entrepreneurship with being in a company that had a high value liquidity event. Step 1 has to be people associated with the so-called vc business pulling their head out of the sand and calling a spade a spade. Strensrud has not started anything and he should not be confused with entrepreneurship.
Foo said on January 16, 2009
Jay is absolutely right. Bill is on to something but I think his supporting points are perhaps too personal. Whether or not bill is a sham of a travesty of mockery of a simulacrum of an entrepreneur is beside Jay’s main point which is that jerkovs get lucky then become blustery gasbags that speak with universal authority about their annexdotal nanoexperiences.
This next phase will try mens souls. We will see who gas the juice and whogets put out to pasture once and for all.
Instant Encore? Blech. New name please.
wls said on January 16, 2009
Bill is partially right about no new “real” breakthrough in innovation since the invention of the transistor at Bell Labs. What is missed is that no revolution in technology has taken place since the discovery of electrons. This discovery is the precursor to every discovery in electronics and computing.
Is is time for another revolution. Will something like Neutrinos usher in the next revolution? It could but probably not in our lifetime.