The Underbelly of Silicon Valley: VC “Finders”
We’ve spent lots of time here discussing pay-to-play, in the context of public pension officials and the placement agents who bribe them. But there is a percolating pay-to-play issue that we’ve only mentioned in passing: The issue of VC conference organizers who charge entrepreneurs to make elevator pitches in front of potential investors.
For the record, I agree with those who criticize such arrangements. VC conference organizers should make their profits from sponsors, not from struggling startups in need of cash. And, if sponsorship doesn’t cover it, then also charge non-presenting attendees. For more on this, you can read the vitriolic comment thread on Jason Mendelson’s Vox Populi post from last week.
But I’m not raising this to discuss the pay-to-play conference situation. Instead, I’m raising it to discuss something even more insidious: Venture capital “finders.”
Last week, a Silicon Valley investor named Hugh Sloan III came across a startup that had received a minor award from Microsoft. He emailed the company founders, saying he had “3 ex Google angels and two Tier 1 venture funds who would be looking at this opportunity with me.”
Sounds great, except there was a giant catch: Sloan wanted $7,500 up-front, in order to set up the meetings. No refunds if the investors didn’t offer term sheets.
The startup declined, and one of its execs even wrote a blog post criticizing the approach (to put it mildly). Sloan immediately responded, threatening legal action. The startup capitulated, and pulled the post.
So I called Sloan, to get his side of the story. To give you a flavor of our conversation, it began with him saying he had no idea who I was or what I did. Fifteen minutes later, he “really respected” my work. Make your own conclusions as to his sincerity.
Sloan defended his business practices, saying that he spends more time working with “his” startups than do their own board members – adding that $7,500 is actually a bargain. He also defended his threats to sue the startup, but I couldn’t get an answer as to what his grounds would be (since the post did not seem to contain any factual inaccuracies – just some conclusions and adjectives to which Sloan objected). He hemmed and hawed, finally admitting that it would be tough for a startup to raise capital with “a legal claim hanging over its head.” Lovely.
Of equal import, Sloan had sent the startup a resume that included a few dozen VCs who “I speak with on a biweekly basis.” I reached out to some of these contacts, and they each told me the same things: It’s untrue.
One of them said he gets emails biweekly from Sloan, but has never actually spoken to him. Another said he’s spoken with him once or twice, but that it’s hardly a regular thing. A third wrote: “I’ve never spoken to the guy. Absolute liar.”
I pressed Sloan on this issue, and he apparently believes two things: (1) Sending an email to someone – without receiving a reply – is the same thing as speaking to them. I’ll have to tell my corporate overlords that I deserve a raise, given that I speak to 57,000 people each day. (2) If Sloan is an angel in a deal later backed by a VC firm, he therefore is in regular contact with the partner on that deal (even if he isn’t).
To be clear, I am not suggesting that Sloan can’t set up the meetings he promises. In fact, one of his references vouches for him on that count (even though no deal resulted). Nor am I saying Sloan is the only one engaged in such shenanigans.
Instead, I’m pointing out that pay-to-play is not just the purview of state pension funds or mega-LBO pros. It also takes place in the startup world, where the intended prey are young entrepreneurs in search of first-time funding. And it deserves to be called out.
At least Hank Morris worked on commission.

Tom said on February 22, 2010
> Sounds great, except there was a giant catch: Sloan wanted $7,500 up-front, in order to set
> up the meetings. No refunds if the investors didn’t offer term sheets.
I wonder if there’s any significance to $7,500? Maybe he figures five figures would be seen
as too much and wants to position it as if the company is getting a “bargain”.
Well, hopefully startups ask for and check references before paying. I probably wouldn’t be as
negative on this if it were a “success fee” and only paid on term sheet and/or investment. In
some ways, a lot of the service industries gouge startups equally: business plan writers, lawyers,
etc. There’s probably a great future article to be on the “Piranha’s of Private Equity” describing
all the “capital-eaters” lurking in the murky startup waters.
Finally: nice reporting Dan, I really respect your work.
(Sorry, I couldn’t help it, but I do appreciate the investigative reporting, maybe you’ll
tackle the Jason vrs. Ben vrs. Jason triple cage match next?)
Tom said on February 22, 2010
One more thing: if you do a google search on “Hugh Sloan III” you can get lots of interesting
information like:
http://ricksegal.typepad.com/pmv/2006/02/creep_v20.html
The “Creep V2.0″ was interesting: Is Hugh Sloan III related to the Hugh Sloan of Nixon
era Committee-to-Re-elect-the-President” (Creep)? That would be interesting…
kevin egan said on February 22, 2010
great article – need to name and shame these guys.
Orrin said on February 22, 2010
Totally agree with you. For me, i need to budget every single penny. Why should i give you money if you just introduce me to people. I might as well hire a high profile attorney, at least i get my money’s worth!!!
Jason said on February 22, 2010
I’ve met guys like this 10+ years. They are typically looked at as annoying idiots and the VCs hate them.
Young startups, desperate to rise above the noise, will hire these guys one time in their life before realizing that there are 1,000x ways to get on the radar of a good VC like meeting with one of their portfolio CEOs, meeting with an analyst from their firm, a lawyer of one of their portfolio companies, etc.
Love that PEHUB is working hard on this story…. just great coverage!
open angel forum is booming thanks to these scumbags… http://www.openangelforum.com
Cory Darby said on February 22, 2010
This article kicked ass! =)
Hugh J. Sloan III said on February 22, 2010
Hi Dan:
Actually I am an accredited investor according to SEC definition and I never said at any point that I thought your background was adequate to be evaluating me or the private equity deals that I participate in. My participation takes many forms, and yes, sometimes I do charge an advisory fee of $7500.00 for twenty-four months of advisory work. I would have your readers contact Chris Bucchere (CS Stanford 1998, lead architect of Plumtree) or Mike Sid (MIT 1988, founder of Mediamorph) to get an opinion of an entrepreneur that actually has worked with me.
With kind regards,
Hugh J. Sloan III
Georges van Hoegaerden said on February 22, 2010
Dan,
There are many players in the under belly of Venture, including VCs, Journalists, Conference organizers etc who in more subtle ways make money of off an ecosystem that does not work. I can talk about some people you “surround yourself” with too on the Venture side, so be careful. I think these examples highlight how inefficient the Venture ecosystem really is.
It’s just like the Wild West: just because there are more people looking for gold doesn’t mean there is more to be had. You’ll just get lots of people become ingenious in deploying more clever ways to hide that they themselves cannot produce the value and need to steal it from others.
So, I think we should focus on the dysfunction of our financial systems rather than those who take advantage of it. I could fill the National Enquirer with those people.
Best,
Georges
David McCarthy said on February 22, 2010
Wow this guy really is a douche, he has decided you are not equipped to evaluate him!, he has some nerve. Sounds like a shakedown artist, good that he is getting called on it.
Hugh J. Sloan III said on February 22, 2010
Dan:
I just posted on the Jason Calacanis blog and I believe this would actually be an objective way to actually measure the true value of my “pay to play” model:
Jason you ugly bastard, how the hell are you?
I agree my advisory fee of $7500.00 is most draconian. Many of the smaller Tier 1 accredited investors like like myself like to be measured by ROI and the success of my portfolio. So, an open challenge to you, my dearest runt-faced cretin, pick-out your best portfolio company, I am identifying mine as World Golf Tour, and if your pick reaches an exit valuation that eclipses World Golf Tour in dollar valuation at exit, I will write a check to you personally for $7,500.00.
I give you one week to identify your pick, I am assuming its going to be ThisNext. If you dont publish this challenge on your blog, I will know that and it will be confirmed that you are the cross-dressing sissy that Sand Hill Road has always believed you to be and we will publish this challenge on our blogs. Also, the requirement is that both of our picks get to exit by 2018.
For the record, Jason completely wimped-out and took this challenge down from his blog. I still with give him one week to respond if you can help. Perhaps since you are co-author of this diatribe, you would like to take the challenge in Jason’s stead? Do you have the courage to live by your shoddy reporting and test the veracity of the Hugh’s pay to play model?
Sean Murphy said on February 23, 2010
Reminds me of a line from the old Traffic song “The Low Spark of High Heel Boys”
And the man in the suit has just bought a new car
From the profit he’s made on your dreams
I agree with your assessment of finders and have blogged about it at http://www.skmurphy.com/blog/2009/10/11/do-not-pay-to-pitch-investors/
The abuse that Jason Mendelson took is bizarre.
Tom said on February 23, 2010
> Many of the smaller Tier 1 accredited investors like like myself
I must have missed this “Tier 1 accredited investor” on http://www.sec.gov – is “Tier 1″ the type of
accredited investor that takes money from the a company before investing (if at all)?
Could you point me to the description of “Tier 1 accredited investor”, so I can better understand
its significance?
Bob said on February 23, 2010
Tom – C’mon – you know. A Tier 1 accredited investor is one that is exempt from registration as a broker under the ’34 act for “Finding investors for “issuers” (entities issuing securities), even in a “consultant” capacity; or Engaging in, or finding investors for, venture capital or “angel” financings, including private placements – its the magical exemption that allows one to participate in important parts of a securities transaction, including solicitation, negotiation, or execution of the transaction without S.E.C. registration as a Broker Dealer…
I believe this one fails the “solicitation” sniff test – well… unless the company already had a pre-existing relationship with those investors which they were paying to be introduced. Even if the transaction was exempt the role of the consultant probably wasn’t.
This of course brings up a wider issue, which is that Company’s need to be careful when dealing with “consultants” to make sure they themselves aren’t violating SEC rules when issuing securities – it would suck to pay for advice that leads one to break the law.
Ben said on February 24, 2010
Dan Primack – does PEHUB stand for providing unbiased professional reporting that’s based on facts or on opinion?
What FACTS can you present to us that have lead you to your conclusion?
1. Have you tried to raise funding recently via an investment banker or conference?
2. Has your research lead you to conclude that startups do not raise funding via venture conferences and investment bankers?
WHAT PROOF DO YOU HAVE?
Please share your research with us (your 57,000 readers).
I’m surpirsed to hear you complain about the value of venture conferences and investment banking services which fill such an important role in the startup ecosystem, while you have not truly investigated the matter.
I think you have discredited yourself and should step down from your post as editor of PEHUB. We need someone who is honest and has integrity to report based on facts. Not someone who follows the theme of the day in hope of gaining brownie points… someone who can be trusted with offering us insight after researching the FACTS! and it is clear you have not.
CHALLENGE!! –
If i present you a list fo startups that have raised funding via venture conferences for which they have paid, and a list of startups that have raised much needed funding via investment banking services will you STEP DOWN?
If you are so confident in what you wrote above then say “YES”.
I encourage you to immediatley issue an apology and save face both for yourself and PEHUB. How can we trust your reporting if you write without investigating the matter??? You have now brought to question many of your previous articles.
Everything you’ve written above is simply doing those startups who truly need assistance a disservice.
startups need assistance in raising funding just like they need legal services. can they raise funding on their own, perhaps. can they write their own contracts sure, but the fact is most can’t.
You wrote:
“VC conference organizers should make their profits from sponsors, not from struggling startups in need of cash”.
1. Do you provide free advertising to firms that are having financial setbacks?
2. does your landlord offer you free housing when you’re low on cash?
3. why should conference organizers offer free presenting?
4. why does Jason Mendelson’s partner Seth Levine charge over $1000 for struggling startups to attend the VCIR conference? yet you quote him as a hero. i dont see you complaining about that.
5. why do you assume these are struggling startups? on what basis?
6. why do you assume these startups are not smart enough to investigate the matter and detremine which investmenet banker to use or conference to attend?
7. do you offer an advertiser that receives exposure on your home page the same rate as one on a lesser viewed page?
8. why would you suggest that a startup that presents and is offered more exposure, benefits, passes should pay the same or less than one simply attending?
It seems as if you’ve made a mistake in suggesting that venture conferences and investmenet banking is not valuable to startups.
You should truly be ashamed of reporting without facts.
JR said on February 24, 2010
Ben,
Based on your comments here and on the Jason’s venture conference post; I would reccommend (as a truly concerned stranger) that you 1) take a break from reading blogs, 2) take a long hard look in the mirror and 3) try to figure out why you’re so angry at the world. As an objective observer, you come off as a strange chap who doesn’t quite know how to formulate a coherant argument, likely because you can’t figure out what you’re arguing for or against. Both Jason and Dan we’re taking positions IN FAVOR of entrepreneurs and start-ups, but apparently this relatively obvious fact has escaped you. Please stop issuing silly “CHALLENGES!!” and maybe try to understand an article before you post a ranting awkward response to it next time. Best wishes.
JR
Tom said on February 24, 2010
Has it been a full moon for a week or two? Or did the “Crazy Train” derail on the internet and
crash into PEhub?
What’s next, a “Tiger Woods” appearance on PEhub asking for understanding along with new
financial endorsements? (Ben would probably “CHALLENGE!” him to a putting contest).
Stop the world, I want to get off!
Ben said on February 24, 2010
JR? thanks. Let’s now give Dan Primack a chance to answer the questions above. I’m sure the readers all agree that my questions are legitimate and deserve a real response.
He’s a big boy and I’m sure he doesn’t need you to protect him.
right Dan?
Jeff said on February 25, 2010
Dear Jason,
Please stop plugging your forums. I’m not coming,
Ben said on February 25, 2010
Dan? did you do the right thing and step down as editor? I haven’t seen a response from you and take that to mean that you admit you have no facts to back up your baseless accusations.
Please – no one interrupt. as i said before, Dan is a big boy.
Ben said on March 1, 2010
ladies and gents Dan Primack who wrote this piece has STILL NOT responded to the basic request that he provide us (his 57,000 readers) with the FACTS he used to formulate this article.
he also hasn’t responded as to whether peHub and Thomson Reuters offer advertisers who are struggling with free ads and sponsorships.
Dan???
Dan Primack said on March 1, 2010
Ben,
The “facts” were based on an interview of Hugh Sloan, an email string between Sloan and an entrepreneur and the pulled blog post referenced in the article.
As for offering free ads: No, we do not (although we do offer discounts for student groups, for example). But that is irrelevant, as we also do not charge companies for ads that may or may not run (as Sloan charges entrepreneurs who may or may not get funded). If you pay, you get something in return. Guaranteed.
Also worth noting that, at our conferences, speakers/presenters attend for free.
Mark Solon said on March 1, 2010
As Chairman of the Rocky Mountain Venture Capital Association (www.rockymountainvc.com), the organization that puts on VCIR Winter & VCIR Fall, I’d like to clear the air with regard to what we charge for people to present / attend the event.
We DO charge venture capitalists, angel investors, service providers and others to attend the event.
We do NOT charge any of the presenting companies any money to attend and present their companies.
Regards,
Mark Solon
Managing Partner
Highway 12 Ventures
Ben said on March 1, 2010
Dan – you are making a fool of yourself. you have an email from an entrepreneur that didn’t want to pay Sloan his rates and that is what you are basing your rant on?
I don’t know sloan at all, but did you research Sloan and his track record?
Do you know anything about Investment Banking? what data do you have to share with us about the following?
what percentage of I-bankers raise capital for private companies without an upfront fee?
How many well respected I bankers do you know of that raise only on success?
these are the facts i’m asking for.
As for offering free ads: your point is very misguided!
Do your ads guarantee your advertisers Sales? if not you better start because that’s exactly what you’re demanding from Sloan and conference organizers.
The same way you run ads, they offer to feature companies, make intros and put in their time and money. they have a right to charge whatever they wish. who are you to suggest otherwise?
Does a lawyer who charges by the hour guarantee his client that he will win the case?
No one guarantees funding, no one. so i’m not sure what your up to, but you are surely not making any sense.
Now let’s assume that some moron named Jason Mendelson of Foundry Group decided to launch a competitor to PEHUB that guaranteed SALES to his advertisers or their money back. would that mean that you now have to do the same? Of Course Not.
If he offered Free advertising to struggling companies and you didn’t would that make you bad?
you have a right to charge how you feel you should charge and allow the consumer to make their decision.
I want to make clear that I think your BULLY tactics and the way you have handled this entire discussion is despicable and really doesn’t fit well with what your readers expect of peHuB.
I encourage you to issue an apology.